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Question: Jessica Fye - J.P. Morgan Securities LLC - Analyst
: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. A couple just to help me size the opportunity here. For the 3,000 US
HER2-positive BTC patient number on slide 29, is that incidence or prevalence? And how many of those 3,000 patients are second
line?
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And then just cutting that in the next step further, is the mix of IHC 2+ and 3+ in the trial reflective of the HER2-positive BTC patient
population overall? Thank you.
Abizer Gaslightwala - Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC - Senior Vice President, Jazz Oncology & Head of US Hematology and Oncology
Hey, Jess. Good to talk to you. It's Abizer. I'll go ahead and start answering the first question. I might refer to Rob on some of the
demographics, the IHC 3 trial versus real world. In terms of the -- this is an incidence of BTC patients, HER2-positive, that 3,000 number
Question: Jason Gerberry - BofA Global Research (US) - Analyst
: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Can you just remind me the proportion of the 3,000 US patients that you envisioned kind
of fall into eligibility for second-line treatment, and how you're thinking about a duration of treatment assumption in BTC? And then
lastly just any evolving thoughts in GEA, the proportion, the split of PD-L1-positive versus -negative subjects. Anything come out of
the September FDA Ad Comm that maybe from those pooled analysis that maybe makes you think a little bit differently about the
split? Thanks.
Abizer Gaslightwala - Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC - Senior Vice President, Jazz Oncology & Head of US Hematology and Oncology
Yeah. Hey, Jason. It's Abizer. I'll maybe start to address some of your first questions. Again, just to reiterate, we don't really break out
the 3,000. There's a lot of assumptions that go into that. And so we just want to kind of leave it at the 3,000 annual incidence. We
feel good about that number based on some public databases. And so that is the incident population across front line, second line
and beyond.
In terms of, I think, your question around how to think about the rate -- or treatment responses, et cetera, I would probably refer to
the data Dr. Pant presented in terms of some of the data on clinical efficacy and use that. And that's how we think about modeling,
the potential use of therapy over time in patients, appropriate patients. So I'll just refer to that data Dr. Pant presented earlier in the
presentation.
Rob, I don't know if you want to outline a little bit around the GEA question.
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Robert Iannone - Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC - Executive Vice President, Global Head of Research and Development, Chief Medical
Officer
Sure. Yeah, I do have a few thoughts on the GEA PD-L1 question. So certainly, we don't think that the breakdown in the KEYNOTE-811
necessarily represents the epidemiology. Probably patients who were tested PD-L1 positive may have been over-enrolled in that
Question: Annabel Samimy - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc. - Analyst
: Hi, thanks for taking my question. I want to ask -- I guess zani is or Ziihera is in a relatively unique position given it's the only one
that's approved for second-line BTC. There are others on the -- that are listed in the compendia listing but through a pan-tumor trial
or a basket trial.
So I'm just curious from a price sensitivity perspective -- maybe Dr. Pant can answer that -- how do you think about the different
options that you have given the several recommendations and the compendia listing and then the price sensitivity? How much does
that play into it? And then I have a couple of follow-ups.
Shubham Pant - The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center - Professor, Department of Gastrointestinal Medical Oncology
and Department of Investigational Cancer Therapeutics
Yeah, thank you. Hi, this is Dr. Pant here. So price compendia, I'm not sure about. But I can tell you as a clinician -- so again, there are
two kind of FD approved. If you look at it, one basket is trastuzumab deruxtecan and the second one is zanidatamab, right? And this
is -- again, it's a personal choice by physicians treating.
For me, the patients get GemCis and durva or GemCis and pembroluzimab front line. And that's chemotherapy with biliary tract
cancer patients. So these patients, when they kind of get into the second-line setting, they're a little bit -- they've been through
chemotherapy. Their bone marrow is a little burnt out. So they may be feeling the effects of chemotherapy.
So for me, specifically, I would more think about doing second line and if they progress, then doing trastuzumab deruxtecan after
that, but that's just me. And the reason for that is that I think that they get this kind of chemo-free interval in the middle before we
introduce the next one. But again, it might -- it's a very personal choice amongst physicians. There are different choice available. But
I think, that's the way I would use these two drugs that, zani and trastuzumab deruxtecan as far as sequence is concerned. Did that
answer your question?
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Question: Andrea Newkirk - Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC - Analyst
: Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. Two for us, please. Now that Ziihera is commercially available, just curious how much
disease or drug education you believe will be required to drive prescribing. And then also just wondering if there are any launch
analogs you would point us to help us think about the cadence of uptake in 2025 and beyond for second-line BTC here. Thanks so
much.
Question: Gregory Renza - RBC Capital Markets (Canada) - Analyst
: Great. Good afternoon, everyone. Congrats on the approval. Thanks for taking my question. Renee, maybe a question for you as you
definitely noted just this being Jazz's third launch in oncology since 2020. And as you and Abizer and the team have discussed, the
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overlap in the call universe. just curious what this means in terms of validation and in your interest to really build the armamentarium
in the solid tumor and oncology place to arm your field force with more products and more options for commercial and for patients.
And maybe just touch on how validating this is with maybe Jazz's more recent business development approach with zanidatamab
a few years ago, what the approval means for that strategy. Thanks so much.
Question: Joel Beatty - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated - Analyst
: Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one is on the 3,000-patient incidence, is that 3,000 unique patients, or is there some
patients that are counted twice first when they're a first-line patient and then a second time when they become a second-line patient?
Abizer Gaslightwala - Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC - Senior Vice President, Jazz Oncology & Head of US Hematology and Oncology
Yeah. They're not counted twice. They're unique. Go ahead. Sorry, Renee.
Question: Ami Fadia - Needham & Company, LLC - Analyst
: Hi. Good evening. Thank you for taking my question and congrats on the launch. My first question is just about -- maybe for Dr. Pant
and Abizer -- how do I think about these disbursement of patients across the academic and community setting? And with the
recommendation added on to the NCCN guidelines, can you at least qualitatively talk about the adoption curve we should see across
the two settings?
And then just the one thing we noticed on the NCCN guidelines, the wording indicates that zani is added in Category 2A but useful
in certain circumstances, recommendations. So I didn't know what to make of that. So if you could address that, that would be
helpful.
Shubham Pant - The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center - Professor, Department of Gastrointestinal Medical Oncology
and Department of Investigational Cancer Therapeutics
I can take the first question. As far as uptake, what I've seen over the last decade, actually in cholangiocarcinoma or biliary tract
cancers is that there has been a lot of -- testing has become fairly standard across -- because at Anderson, we get a lot of patients
from outside. There are big cholangio center patients come self-referred or we get patients sent from other physicians to look for
trials. And I can tell you that I've really seen an uptake in sequencing and testing for these patients.
So I think that kind of pool of patients that are already tested, and they're looking at it, and that target is growing. So I think it's
definitely there because, again, like I think somebody mentioned before about HER2 testing and -- in a community, they've been
doing it for a long time, right, for other -- like for breast cancer and other.
And I've seen like a lot of testing because of FGFR inhibitors and H1 inhibitors, other targets in biliary tract cancer. That uptake
definitely seems -- so it's fairly -- we're able to see that in the community as well as in academics, at least the testing part of it.
The second question, maybe somebody else could answer on the NCCN. I'm not sure about the category thing.
Robert Iannone - Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC - Executive Vice President, Global Head of Research and Development, Chief Medical
Officer
Could you just repeat the question, Ami? Make sure I understand.
Question: Mohit Bansal - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC - Analyst
: Great. Thank you very much for taking my question. And again, thank you for this update.
I have a question regarding GEA. So do we know in the first-line setting, what percent of patients are taking herceptin combination
with the checkpoint inhibitor versus herceptin plus chemo combination? And then when you see your first-line GEA data, how would
you think about the PD-1 plus zani plus chemo arm? Do you think that one should compare it to 811 trial? Obviously, it's a cross-trial
comparison but -- or it will be just like the benefit of checkpoint on top of zani. How would you think about it? Thank you.
Robert Iannone - Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC - Executive Vice President, Global Head of Research and Development, Chief Medical
Officer
Sure. So similar to the answer I gave before, it's clear now from the data that it's only patients who are clearly expressing PD-L1 are
likely to benefit from a PD-1 inhibitor. What proportion of patients is that? And the literature is a little bit varied on this point, but it
may be sort of 60-40 -- so still a fairly large proportion of patients who would be getting -- for whom the standard of care would still
be considered to be herceptin and chemotherapy.
And the way we're looking at this is zanidatamab is going to be positioned to be the HER2 therapy of choice. We now have data, as
we've mentioned in the presentation, across tumor types, across lines of therapy as monotherapy, and combination, in patients who
are refractory or naive, [HER2] therapies really differentiating zanidatamab as the best-in-class monoclonal antibody and the only
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bispecific, biparatopic, monoclonal antibody. So we think it's going to be the HER2 agent of choice in front-line GEA regardless of
the PD-L1 status, which doesn't predict at all response to HER2 therapies.
For those patients who are expressing PD-L1 or are likely to benefit from a PD-1 inhibitor, they could get zanidatamab potentially
in combination with the PD-1 inhibitor. Ultimately, based on the results of the ongoing Phase 3 trial, where we have two experimental
arms: zani plus chemo or zani plus tislelizumab and chemo. And we think tislelizumab is also a best-in-class PD-1 inhibitor.
Question: Jeff Hung - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC - Analyst
: Thanks for taking my questions. In the past, you've said that there's overlap with your existing solid tumor footprint from Zepzelca.
How many additional reps -- sales reps did you hire for Ziihera? How many reps in total are now detailing the drug and what proportion
of second-line BTC physicians and patients can you cover with the sales footprint?
And then, for Dr. Pant, what proportion of your BTC patients would be eligible to be treated with Ziihera? And can you just talk
through how you see the pace of adoption in your Ziihera treatment naive patients playing out over the next 12 months? Thanks.
Abizer Gaslightwala - Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC - Senior Vice President, Jazz Oncology & Head of US Hematology and Oncology
Sure. So I'll take the first question. In terms of our commercial footprint, we won't get into specifics about numbers and size. That
was just proprietary in how we think about our commercial model. What I'll say is that we leverage -- there's a high level of synergy
with what our team currently does in the lung cancer space with Zepzelca for how we think about launching Ziihera in BTC and
eventually GEA.
I mean, as I mentioned earlier, a lot of solid tumor drugs are treated in the community oncology setting. Community oncologists,
by definition, generally treat many types of solid tumors. They have multi-group specialties that have special tumor focus. But then
within that same umbrella, they treat a wide variety of tumors. And so we feel that construct serves as well for lung cancer, as we
know GI cancers, across the specifics, which are really good. And it's been an incremental add but a really incremental add and a
really good synergy in terms of what we're doing in the solid tumor space.
I'll let Dr. Pant take the second question.
Shubham Pant - The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center - Professor, Department of Gastrointestinal Medical Oncology
and Department of Investigational Cancer Therapeutics
And could you repeat that question for me, please?
Question: Joon Lee - Truist Securities - Analyst
: Hey, thanks for taking our question. In the ongoing trials for first-line BTC, GEA, and breast cancer, do you also expect 3+ HER2
expression would be needed to show clinical benefit. Or are there other nuances that we should be considering? Thank you.
Robert Iannone - Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC - Executive Vice President, Global Head of Research and Development, Chief Medical
Officer
Yeah. So remember, we had a relatively small sample set in the single-arm monotherapy BTC trial that led to the accelerated approval.
The other trials you mentioned, for example, in the front-line BTC or front-line GEA as well as the later-line breast cancer trial are all
in combination with other chemotherapy agents and in indications, where there is maybe a clear track record for the value of HER2
therapies. And so I wouldn't necessarily read through a restriction in those indications to just the 3+. We are evaluating 2+ and 3+,
and we're optimistic that the benefit will be broad.
Question: Joseph Thome - TD Cowen (Research) - Analyst
: Hi, there. Good evening. Thank you for taking my questions. Maybe the first one for Dr. Pant. I guess, is there any IHC 3+ HER2-positive
BTC second-line patient identified that you would not treat with Ziihera for any reason, and what would be that reason? And then
a little bit of a follow-on to Joon's question maybe, in the GEA study, are there prespecified subset analyses for IHC 3+ population
and those that are IHC 2+, ISH+? Thanks.
Shubham Pant - The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center - Professor, Department of Gastrointestinal Medical Oncology
and Department of Investigational Cancer Therapeutics
Yes. So I'll leave the second one to Rob. I'll answer the first one. It would be rare. As somebody who's actually treated patients on
Ziihera in the Phase 1 trial and now in the Phase 2, it's very well tolerated. These patients -- it's a non-chemo option. These patients
that go about their day, really side effects are very easily manageable. So the one -- if I had to guess, would be maybe somebody
with a low ejection fraction that I wouldn't want to give it -- congestive heart failure or something that I think could be a challenge.
That's the main one that comes to mind. But GEA, I'll let Rob answer that one or somebody else from Jazz
Robert Iannone - Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC - Executive Vice President, Global Head of Research and Development, Chief Medical
Officer
Yeah. Do you mind just repeating the second part of the question?
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