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Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Well, great. Thank you for joining us. And so, like I said, I've prepared questions for Mark, and if there's time at the end, we'll open it up to Q&A, and
you guys can raise your hand and ask questions. So Mark, maybe to start off, the corporate payments segment, it's become a bigger part of Corpay's
business over time. I think back in 2015, it was 10% of revenue. Now it's approaching 40%. Maybe you can give us a lay of the land in terms of the
underlying businesses within that segment. And it might be helpful for investors to understand just the relative sizes of those and the different
growth rates as well.
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
Yes, absolutely, Ken. So yes, it has been a purposeful shift towards corporate payments. We see higher organic growth rates in these businesses as
well as it's been a primary focus from an acquisition and M&A perspective for us as well. We see this business growing to near 50% in the very near
term of the overall corporate enterprise.
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When we think of the corporate payments business at Corpay, it's really two separate divisions. So there's the domestic payables division focused
on Canada, the United States. And that is a business that is, let's call it a $700 million revenue business growing high teens, sort of low 20s over the
past few years, fairly consistently, broken into, I'd say, three key segments.
So there's a traditional sort of corporate payments, commercial card business, virtual card, T&E, and expense management component to that
business. That grows a little slower, sort of high double-digit -- or sorry, low-teens, I would say. And then there's a larger component of the business,
about 60% of the business, that is a full AP outsourcing, so an AP automation business.
So really think about a business process outsourcing of your AP department that includes all of those commercial card components as well as a
business process workflow in terms of AP automation. That business grows a little faster than 25%. It is sort of the lion's share of the franchise and
continues to scale. And then there's a channel partner reseller business, ultimately, where we enable our capability and other fintechs to go off
and sell that commercial payments value proposition.
When we think of the cross-border business, you can think of it roughly as $1 billion revenue business just under in '25, really broken into four key
customer segments. So one, and sort of the heritage of the business is the corporate segment that was historically very sort of small business focus
has become more mid-market to large market focus, large cap. That is, let's call it an $800 million business and growing high teens year on year
pretty consistently going back over the past decade.
We have a financial institutions and fintech practice. So this is a little bit more than $100 million business. It grows about 25% year on year, continues
to scale nicely. And this is us servicing financial institutions and fintechs with cross-border payments. So think of the Tier 1 money center banks of
the world, the B of A, Citi, Wells Fargo organizations where we provide payment execution and currency liquidity in the emerging market world.
So we make payments from the Northern Hemisphere to the Southern Hemisphere with a particular focus on Latin America and Africa.
For the Tier 2, Tier 3 financial institutions, we really focus on providing growth beyond the G20 currency corridors that they historically have as part
of their correspondent network. We expand their capability into a larger geographic reach. And then for the Tier 4 or 5 smaller financial institutions,
it's really an outsourcing of their global payments capability. They might not have international SWIFT connectivity. They might not have correspondent
accounts in other major currencies. And we can provide them all that infrastructure and execution ultimately for their corporate clients.
The third category of our business is sort of a rocket ship for us right now. In 2014, our institutional private markets business was a $5 million
business at the end of 2014. We'll exit this year at about a $70 million business, so very impressive growth over the last 12 months. And it's really
just taking our existing resources and pointing them at a particular customer segment and finding a really attractive niche to sell into. So that
business does very, very well and we provide FX services and banking services ultimately to those private markets customers, funds and SPVs and
global investors ultimately.
The final category of our business is the digital currency space. And so this is relatively new. This is something that we've been building, I'd say, for
the past 12 to 15 months and have really just launched commercially in '25 and is scaling quite nicely. We've had some big client wins and is really
beginning to gain some traction.
Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Maybe we could dig into the cross-border part of the business a little more, Mark. And I think one of the things that we wanted to focus on is just
the evolution of the business from a go-to-market perspective as well as a geographic evolution. Because I think the cross-border business used
to be very North American concentrated, but you've diversified away from that into other geographies. So how has that mix evolved? And maybe
talk about why that's important to build out a presence in other geography.
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
Yes, we've diversified and certainly reduced our risk to a certain extent, but moved into categories and geographies that offer us higher growth as
well. So it's a shifting of the growth math ultimately to something that is a little bit more durable. So historically, the business was very North
American centric, small business focused, and sort of moving into the mid-market.
Over the last five, six years, we've moved from mid-market to the large corporate market in the North American geography, and then have replicated
that sort of go-to-market strategy in the UK and across continental Europe and now in Asia Pacific as well, and continue to add geographies,
particularly in continental Europe, that we think are super nutritional to the brands.
The FX centricity or the cross-border centricity of business in Europe, it lends itself a little bit better to our value proposition than the US does, quite
frankly. So we see it as a more target-rich environment with less competition and less-capable national champion banks in each of those geographies.
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So we think of Italy and Spain and France and Germany as all being markets that have a $150 million to $200 million market potential that's realizable
over the next four or five years. So we see a lot of growth coming from continental Europe.
We've also expanded in Asia Pacific, opening up a business in New Zealand. We've launched in Singapore, where we're contemplating next to go
to Hong Kong and India ultimately. And then in North America, in addition to expanding our sort of presence across the United States, we've
recently started originating customers in Mexico as well. So very diverse sort of sprawl from a geographic perspective and continuing to take the
same model and technology, deploy it in new geographies and scale the business.
The other part is really moving away from that sort of direct sale primarily model to a channel partner model as well. So a good portion of our new
business comes from partnerships and introductions that we get from other organizations, both where we've embedded our capability in their
technology and also where they're just providing introductions to clients. So we've really augmented both, the go-to-market strategy as well as
the sales methodology as well.
Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Is that connectivity, I guess, the integrations into the ERPs and customizing it?
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
Yes, it's a big part of it. I'd say five years ago, the arms race was on to integrate with as many vertical and horizontal ERPs as possible, and we did
that. It gave us a super solid foundation in the corporate space. I think how that's evolved today is it's more front-end integration with other fintech
Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Lots of cross-border companies talk about the large networks that they've built out, these cross-border fintech players. Can you talk about some
of the key differences between Corpay's network versus others? And maybe also touch on the direct connections into the local schemes. I'm curious
how much of your connectivity is direct into the local scheme versus having to rely on a bank partner.
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
Yes, so our direct connectivity in in-country payments today is a little bit more than 50% of our overall flow. That's grown from 5% five years ago
to 50% today. It's clearly the trend of shifting away from SWIFT and bank connectivity to a single counterparty to in-country connectivity via local
gateways.
I think when we think of our network, it's sort of four levels ultimately. So 10 years ago, we were very focused on building bank connectivity all
around the world, not just in the major currencies, but the emerging market worlds, building primary and redundant partners that could execute
mass payments for us at scale, hundreds or thousands of payments at a time, as well as FX providers that we could do large-ticket FX transactions
within places like Nigeria and Kenya and Central Africa. And so building that network of bank connectivity was sort of the first area of focus 10 years
ago.
The next thing came in-country connectivity and connecting directly to local schemes without a bank between you and the scheme ultimately.
The value there is speed, efficiency, cost transparency, cost effectiveness, but also that you can be the arbiter of your own risk appetite because
there's no one else that dictates. You're not going across someone else's rails. So that's a big driver of that as well.
So for the last eight or so years, we've been focused on building that in-country scheme connectivity that moves away from SWIFT, that has
guaranteed full-value transfer, guaranteed on-time delivery, no fees, and it costs pennies a transaction as opposed to dollars a transaction. So it
has been a significant shift from SWIFT to those in-country gateways.
The next area of focus over the last two or three years was to build real-time connectivity and real-time capability. So the experience that we all
have as consumers, we want to now replicate in the business world as well. So instant payments or near real-time payments has been a particular
area of focus for us. So taking many of those in-country gateway connections and turning them into real-time connections, so do SEPA instant
payments, ACH instant payments, and other real-time rails, even in the emerging markets, not just in major currencies. So that's been a particular
area of focus.
I'd say the fourth area that we've actually been working on for a number of years going back to 2019 but now really beginning to scale is sort of
our blockchain, stablecoin, digital currency capability ultimately as well. And the clear value here is while real-time payments can allow you to
move money instantaneously and super cost-effectively, which is a core part of sort of the stablecoin value proposition or blockchain, what stablecoin
or blockchain does is sort of the always-on, 24/7 element. So it's an added capability that you can build into your network by enabling blockchain
payments, which is something that we've been going down this path, in particular geographic corridors since 2019.
And we've invested very heavily over the last 18 months or so to build out this capability, both in terms of being the last mile of payment delivery
for third-party remittances, but also in terms of treasury flows, our own treasury flows and our large corporates, so that we can move pounds
sterling on a Sunday afternoon ultimately. We've always or long enabled our customers to trade on the weekends and FX liquidity capability to be
able to do that. We're now moving money for customers over the weekends as well.
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Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Great. I think you hit on my next question, so maybe I'll skip that one. But I guess when you think about a comparable transaction mark, same
corridor, same currency, same pair. Do you know what the cost might be to send a payment via a stablecoin versus, I guess, using your own network
or another rail that you guys leverage to move money?
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
Yes, so I would say typically, so let's just take a $100,000 payment or a $10,000 payment. To send a payment via SWIFT costs dollars a transaction.
To send a payment via stablecoin costs quarters per transaction. To send the payment via an in-country instant rail is pennies per transaction. So
it's still more cost-effective in many cases to send an instant payment than it is a stablecoin payment. The gas fees are higher than the $0.03 it costs
me to send a SEPA payment, let's say.
I'd say the other thing that is still a point of friction with respect to digital payments is the on-ramp and off-ramp scenarios. So in most cases, our
customers today that are taking delivery of payments via digital means, they're not then holding those in stablecoin. They're having to off-ramp
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those into a fiat currency account, and that's where the friction -- that's where the real cost is. So when you talk about gas fees, that's relatively
inconsequential. When it comes down to the on-ramp and off-ramp friction, that's where the real cost comes in for the customer.
Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Yes, it's a great point -- yes, totally. I guess my one question that we get is -- so I guess I get the cost structure is, for a netted transaction is quite
low, right, where there's an offsetting flow? There's still a wide delta between the revenue versus that cost structure. So the margin is still quite
attractive. I guess what prevents other players from coming in and trying to chip away at that margin if they could replicate that low-cost structure
that you have?
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
It's a super deep and wide competitive moat, thankfully, that we've spent a lot of time trying to cultivate and develop over the last decade plus.
So it's the regulatory framework, being licensed in as many jurisdictions as possible, that is then required to have the local connectivity. Without
local licenses, you can't connect to the local schemes. To build that out takes years and years, going geography by geography, ultimately.
It's the customer-facing tech, so it's the ERP connections, the API connectivity, whether it be SOAP, REST, or fixed APIs, having a product set that
can touch different customers, meeting them where they are in terms of their tech development journey. It is having the ability to embed capability
directly in your customer's user interface or their front end or their web technology, their e-commerce platform.
So that technology element of solving the friction in the execution of payments in FX is a huge component. Then it's the network. It's the global
reach and being able to move money to Central Africa or Nigeria. What we see from our customers is, typically, a corporate will come to us, and
90% of their flow is in major currency corridors.
But if we can solve their pain point with respect to moving money to Nigeria or moving money to Brazil, which might be a small part of their overall
flow, but a big part of their treasury friction and the thing that consumes time; if we can solve that unique use case for them, then we get all the
rest of the flow as well. We get all the euros and the sterling that we can make really good spreads on that are super easy to automate and everything
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else. So it's that investment in the in-country networks globally in the emerging and frontier market world over the past decade that are really
reaping significant benefits for us today.
Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Yes. Maybe just building on the stablecoin discussion, you guys partnered with Circle. Maybe we could touch on that partnership. I'm curious what
customer feedback has been, what has demand for USDC been. And then I think -- separately, I think Circle is introducing a new network called
Circle Payments Network. What are your initial thoughts on that network? And I'm curious to get your thoughts on how successful that might be.
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
Yes, so there's a lot there. So we've done a number of partnerships in the space. We've had a longstanding partnership with Ripple, for instance.
Circle is a new partner for us. We think of these relationships as really twofold. It's taking their capability from a digital currency space and embedding
it in our technology and making it part of our network. And then it's us being the on-ramp, off-ramp provider for them to be able to reduce that
friction for their customers as well. So there's sort of a two-pronged attack in that it contributes to the growth of both organizations.
I think the Circle Payments Network is an interesting network, sort of a closed-loop network that has some treasury applications for corporates,
certainly has some third-party roommates, so last-mile payment delivery as well, that we see some capability for. I think it will take a little bit of
time to build. I think what they've created, though, is an ecosystem that will invite a number of financial institutions to participate in.
Whether they have the capability and the appetite and the technology to step into that world will dictate how quickly each of them can run. But
we do see it as a valuable piece of the ecosystem in the digital currency space, much like what we partnered with and built with JPMorgan and
Kinexys, for instance, is a capability that we use to move money on a 24/7, always-on basis from a treasury perspective. Each of these networks
creates different opportunities and solves for different use cases for our customers.
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Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Great. Maybe turning to the acquisition of Alpha Group, Alpha has a bank account product and a bank account consolidation software solution,
and I think that's going to be new to the Corpay portfolio. Maybe talk about the importance of those products, Mark, and the need for them across
the broader portfolio.
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
Yes, the Alpha deal is super exciting for us. I think it's our fourth such deal that we've done since 2021, and we can sort of walk through those. But
we have the belief that this could potentially be the most impactful, the biggest deal, the most successful deal that we've done yet in terms of the
way that it augments our value proposition.
So what we have historically done is we focused on building a multi-currency account solution for the corporate market. And we've launched that
in the past year. It's been very, very successful. What Alpha has done is focused on building a bank account solution for the private markets business.
so thinking of providing bank accounts in a super-efficient AML fashion to funds, SPVs, funds administrators to stand up a bank account for a new
legal entity when it goes to launch that investment ultimately to the public market.
That capability is not just a bank account capability, but the technology layer, the connectivity to a banking platform globally, and then the regional
capability embedded in each geography in which funds are typically organized around the world. So it is super impactful in terms of driving value
in the private market space. And we think that given our geographic footprint, the fact that Alpha today only really operates in the UK and Europe,
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that we can take that capability and sell it to our institutional customers in Asia and also in North America. We see it as being a tremendous runway
for growth for that bank account product.
But what we also see is that Alpha delivers to us incremental geographies in continental Europe that are high-priority targets for us that we want
to build boots on the ground and build big businesses in. So introductions to Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, a much bigger business in Malta,
the Netherlands. That geographic expansion ties in with our overall continental geographic expansion strategy for Europe as well. So we're super
excited about the Alpha business. We think it's a tremendous fit and gives us great runway for growth.
Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Totally. And it sounds like this is real consolidation, like you're actually maintaining that one platform. You're not maintaining multiple platforms
as you do these acquisitions.
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Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
We've got a religious belief about it. There's one way to do this, and it's proven to be very successful for us. We've looked at other deals that have
happened in our space that have proven to be very unsuccessful, and we can understand the reasons why. A lot of it relates back to the technology
strategy and how that's worked out. So there's usually a very clear game plan. It's really about timeline, it's about execution, and how do we do it
without causing -- or by causing as little disruption to the network of customers as possible.
Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: It seems like it was great to share a wallet opportunity. If you keep taking share and you go from 80% to 90%, 95%, that's the real needle mover.
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
Yes, I'm just kind of frustrated we didn't think of it years ago, but it certainly is a superpower in terms of adding capability to the organization and
one that's helped us from a customer acquisition standpoint as well.
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Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Any questions for Mark, or I'll ask one more.
Unidentified Participant
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Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
So yes -- very good question, both. So I'd say the way that we think of moving money internationally is if it's a cross-border transaction, a domestic
international transaction, we break it into its constituent parts. So everything for us becomes a domestic transaction. So look that way for the
customer, but we're leveraging a domestic rail or domestic connectivity on both sides. So we get the benefit of that pennies per transaction on
everything that we settle ourselves, even though we may even charge the customer for a cross-border transaction.
In terms of the economics for us, whether it's stablecoin or blockchain-enabled payment versus an off-chain fiat transaction, the economics are
largely the same. I would say that the take rates in the overall economics that we generate in the on-ramp, off-ramp world are actually higher than
our corporate payments business today. The flows are bigger, the volumes are more attractive, and the spreads are super attractive in that space.
So there is opportunity for us. As we see greater stablecoin and digital currency adoption, we actually think there's improved economics for us.
Question: Ken Suchoski - Autonomous Research US LP - Analyst
: Awesome. I think we're up against the clock, Mark, so we'll have to leave it there. But thanks for joining us. Thanks so much for making the trip.
And appreciate all your thoughts. And we'll do this again next year.
Mark Frey - Corpay Inc - Group President - Cross-Border Solutions
Really appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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