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Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Look, I kind of wanted to start maybe just looking back and maybe just John, I think it would be helpful to just kind of get your perspective on kind
of what's happened over the last year. And look, you energy drinks weren't alone in this, but I think if we were sitting on this stage last year, I think
many of us weren't really anticipating like this big slowdown. So as time has gone by, I'm sure you have a better perspective in terms of what's
actually happening. So can you maybe just understand why you think the category slowed the way it did last year?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Super helpful. Maybe just pivoting back to kind of the evolution of market share right? And kind of alluded to it in your response just there, but
you're at the 12% share, and it kind of moved lower. But if we were kind of sitting here a year ago, I think there was a lot of hope out there from
you guys, from investors as some of the shelf resets took place, particularly in convenience that you would see that market share really pick up.
So I know hindsight is 2020, but I guess what do you think ultimately -- what didn't play out, I guess, as planned? And I think -- another question
would be what could you have actually done differently?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Okay. Maybe picking up on that. I mean one of the things that we've seen from a category perspective, exiting '24 and '25 has kind of been this
nice improvement just in terms of trends. So kind of curious, what do you think has kind of driven that improvement? Obviously, one of your largest
competitors took a price increase, so that helps.
But I'll be curious how volumes also improved as well, right? So I'll be curious what's really driving that. And I guess maybe a question for both of
you, look, you're going to start to cycle that weaker summer, right, low single-digit growth. So would you anticipate category growth continuing
to accelerate from here? Or is this kind of mid- to high single-digit range kind of a fair run rate as you think about 2025?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: No, that makes a ton of sense. I mean -- and then as you think about that moving forward, and you kind of alluded to this a little bit, right, just in
terms of timing of innovation (technical difficulty) portfolio as we move through the summer here. And then I guess you kind (technical difficulty)
call a couple of weeks ago, but you mentioned that you expected to gain. I think it was 15% to 20% more shelf space during the spring resets. Can
you maybe just elaborate on that in a bit more detail? Is that broad-based (technical difficulty) channels? And then (technical difficulty) I just -- the
velocity numbers and the kind of the core brand have been a bit more challenged. So are you seeing any retailers pull back on shelf space in any
locations?
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Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Shelf rate?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Okay. So just maybe following up on that. So the 15% to 20% more, that's coming despite kind of more of the recent trends. Is that fair?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Okay. Maybe just sticking with the distribution question, but just focusing on C stores. I know the channel has been more challenged, broadly
speaking, I guess, but it's very important to their category and kind of similar to the broader market share discussion shares are also kind of ticking
a bit lower here sequentially off the peak last year.
But what's interesting, there's a gap between kind of your total company share and kind of C store a lower market share. So how are you thinking
about closing the gap now, particularly as you expand TDPs in that channel?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: No, that's super helpful. I think that's a really good point, Jerry.
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Maybe I have a bigger picture question. And John, I would just love some perspective on your core consumer and maybe just compare and
contrasting kind of the consumer preferences for functional beverages today versus maybe the Legacy energy drink category.
And I guess maybe just describe the Celsius consumer in relation to Legacy energy drink category and how they fit within kind of broader LRP. And
I guess what I'm really trying to understand is what's unique about the Celsius is consumer in terms of -- occasions frequency, brand loyalty and
brand switching, right?
And I guess is today's consumer really a different audience. And I guess is that alter the consistency of growth I guess it has the consumer more
discretionary in any way versus maybe what is thought of traditional energy or legacy energy is more kind of daily use occasions.
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Yes, it makes sense. Maybe shifting to kind of Pepsi. A big part of the company's success has been kind of the distribution partnership there. Can
you maybe just discuss how you're working to strengthen that relationship last year, you had some changes in the incentive structure. There were
some unexpected inventory dynamics. So just any thoughts on the high level on the partnership. And then maybe, Jarrod, any color on kind of the
inventory optimization going forward, anything that we need to kind of be aware of?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Great. Jarrod, maybe sticking with you for a second here and kind of building on that. I would just love some perspective on just how we should
be thinking about the US top line growth from a core Celsius perspective. Obviously, category growth, demand market share, all those will play a
role. But you are lapping a pretty outsized impact as it relates to inventory destocking impact from promotional allowances, et cetera, but that also
kind of follows a year in '23 where it seems like there was a little bit of an inventory build.
So it's been harder for us, my peers, I think someone in the room how to figure out how much of this inventory promotional impact will normalize
as we think about the year ahead. So I know you don't give guidance, but maybe you can sensually talk through how we should be thinking about
lapping these impacts?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: That's really helpful. And then maybe rounding out kind of the -- or sorry, two last questions, just kind of the core portfolio. I mean, you touched
on the shelf space opportunity, but can you just talk about what's planned from an innovation perspective? You launched the hydration sticks a
short while ago.
Can you just talk about the opportunity there? And I think this is your first real move outside of kind of the core energy drink category. But do you
see opportunities for the Celsius brand to kind of expand into other adjacent categories as well?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Okay. That makes sense. And then so maybe rounding out here can you just talk about the brand's opportunity to kind of expand internationally?
You moved into several new markets this year. What have you learned about the brand in those markets? And as you think about growth from
here, is it more about new markets? Or do you see an opportunity to expand distribution within those new markets that you went into over the
last year?
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Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Okay. No. So we're only a few minutes left here. So I want to talk about Alani Nu. So maybe, John, just a broader question, just give us some high-level
thoughts on the brand and maybe how it's positioned in the energy category?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Given that both brands are kind of rooted in that health and wellness, I mean, is there a bit of a brand overlap in our core consumer?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: That's helpful. Jarrod, maybe one over to you. Can you just talk on the potential integration, how you plan to bring these two brands together and
kind of maybe where you see the biggest opportunity for synergies looking ahead?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Okay. Maybe sticking with you for a second, Jarrod, and shifting and talking about profitability for a second. It was kind of one of the bright spots
here as we exited the year. Gross margin, north of 50%, similar position for the full year.
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Can you just talk about how you see gross margin and profitability more broadly evolving from here as you look out over the next 12 months?
Obviously, aluminum and mid premium have been pretty topical across all beverages. But curious how you see those cost buckets kind of impacting
your trajectory just based on where things stand today.
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: Okay. And maybe just one final one here, just sticking with margins, but on more of the selling and marketing side, right? I mean it was 26% in '24.
I know a component of that wasn't really just stepped up investment part of it was the deleverage that you saw. So just as we think about '25,
Jarrod, what do you think is kind of a reasonable target?
Question: Peter Grom - UBS - Analyst
: All right. Well, why don't -- that's a perfect place to stop, I think. John and Jerry, thank you so much for joining us today. We wish you nothing but
the best of luck going forward.
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