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Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: <_ALACRA_META_ABSTRACT>So to kick it off, for those who may be newer to the story, I was hoping, Brian, you could provide an overview of the business and
really how CCC fits into the overall PNC insurance economy.
Looking to understand who your customers are, what are your core products.
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Yeah, Sounds good. So yes, we are a SaaS platform for the insurance economy. Today, revenue is largely focused on US auto claims.
And so we have a connected network through our platform that connects insurance companies, we have 300 insurance companies,
two repair facilities. We have over 1,000 repair facilities, two parts suppliers.
We have over 5,000 parts suppliers all on our network. And we're connecting them in our software and AI tools are helping them
with facilitating claim resolution. So that's where the business largely is.
We have moved into some adjacency -- so in January, we closed an acquisition, EvolutionIQ. They are focused -- that business is
focused on disability in workers' comp. So, using AI to help through claim resolution and disability and workers' comp as well.
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So those are new expansions for us. The business is about $1 billion in revenue. We have margins of 40%. We're a rule of 50 companies
with a high percent of revenue coming from subscription and a really strong gross retention, 98%, 99%. So that's kind of the profile
of the business.
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: Excellent. Let's jump right into some of the most asked about topics. So one being claims frequency and maybe you could also sort
of touch on the composition of the business model, subscription recurring revenue versus more transactional.
And really, for this question, I am interested in that more volume-based piece around claims. And I wanted to ask about the trends
that you're seeing around 2024, the impact from claims and then also how you're thinking about or like what assumptions are
embedded into '25 outlook as far as claims frequencies.
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: Business model, claims frequency, impact on your business.
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
So when we -- kind of on the first point, we were talking about a high amount of subscription revenue. So we're over 80% subscription,
20% transactional or volume based. It really comes into three parts. About half of it is our casualty business. which is reviewing bill
reviews, medical bills that are part of auto claims. Then there is a component in our parts business.
Our parts business is about half subscription and half transaction, we get a percentage EMV and then some of the smaller carriers
pay transactionally. So those are kind of the three parts of the volume base, which makes up, as I said, 20% of overall revenue. When
you look at the volume and claim frequency in 2024, for us, it was down about 5%.
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So if you just do simple math and say 20% is transactional 5% down, it's got about 1 point of headwind. It's not perfectly correlated
to frequency because there's some lagging casualties lagging and some of the other products, it depends on client mix, product
mix, but that gives a direction of kind of how frequency played through 2024.
As we set up to 2025 and we think about the impact, we're assuming a relatively neutral position relative to 2024. We're not assuming
further decline. We're not assuming recovery on the claims. We'll keep that updated and give investors updates as we go through
the year. But we're assuming a neutral position on volumes.
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: Got it. Brian, you mentioned two other topics, so two parter. Well -- and they go together. ADAS and the increasing complexity of
cars, what is your assumption or your view on ADAS and also how do you help your customers navigate the higher cost and complexity
of repair?
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Yeah, So there's kind of three macro trends we look at and we think about for the business. One is frequency and what frequency
will do over time, meaning kind of the number of claims, number of accidents. Number two is severity, the cost to return policyholders
back to pre exiting condition. Severity has been going up and will continue to rise.
And then the third is complexity, which also is rising. When you think about complexity, with the cars. The cars have all these ADAS
features, cameras, there's a lot more technology, there's a lot more parts per repair that are happening.
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There's also some of the experience, both adjusters and the insurance companies and the technicians and the shops are retiring out,
so there's skill gaps and labor charges. All that is driving complexity and our solutions and the solutions we bring in the market, help
address that.
So, from electronic parts ordering or repair methods in the shops to help them manage the repair in the car to putting AI and the
carriers to help manage the claim process. All that is helping them address complexity.
So that is a rising trend that we feel our solutions are in a good place and a good position to help our clients manage through
complexity.
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: Great. Let's stick to this topic and then we'll circle back to a few other more established areas, but focusing on AI, emerging solutions,
I think it would be really interesting to sort of lay out the value proposition of estimated STP, straight-through processing, definitely
one of the most interesting products that's in everyone's focus.
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Yeah, Yes. I mean it was our initial launch of AI and what it does is -- I mean, go back in old world where you have a policyholder has
an accident, they call their carrier. The carrier sends out an adjuster, they look at the car and they write up an estimate. And what
we've done is we've now deployed AI, that same scenario, a policyholder gets in an accident, they can reach out to the carrier.
The carrier will send them a link They'll go around with their mobile device and have AI will guide them through taking pictures of
the car. And then the AI will write a line item estimate for the policyholder and the carrier, and that happens in real time.
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And so the policyholder will now see the cost to repair and it can work with the carrier to determine the best way to take it to a shop,
get paid out on the repair. But we're replacing kind of staffing and scheduling with deploying the technology and allowing AI to
write this line item estimate. And so we've seen good traction, there's about 40 clients that are using estimate STP.
We're still in the early innings of volume, so about 4% of total claims are going through estimate STP. But we are seeing that continue
to scale and grow, and we feel really good on the opportunity that, that will drive. When we think about the economics of it, the
numbers we talk about is about $15 incremental per claim that estimate STP runs. And so that's an incremental fee that we get as
we deploy ultimate STP.
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: Excellent. From my understanding and talking to some of those 40 customers, there's certain accidents that are great for estimate
STP. And then there's others that are more complex when it starts dealing with internal damage like we're not there yet. And there's
also thresholds from a dollar value that your customers are comfortable putting through AI. Like where are we? How should we think
about the types of accidents that are prime today? And like where is that going to be in one or three, five years?
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Yeah, I'd say the way we framed it out is out of the repairable claims, we think, estimate claims will be over 50% are eligible for using
estimate STP out of those claims. But that's also improving. I mean where we were two years ago, we had a more limited set of claims
that we could run through estimate STP and so the models keep improving as they get more photos, as they get more use.
And so we're seeing more and more opportunities to grow the type of claims that we're putting through it. So yes, we see that
continuing to expand as we go forward. But right now, we talk about 15% repairables that it makes sense to deploy estimate STP.
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: So bigger picture of these emerging solutions, they contributed 1% to growth in '24, and that's how you're framing the expectation
for 2025 over the medium-term or long-term targets, that's got a step up to 3% to 4% contribution. So what's it going to take? Which
of these products are going to get you there?
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Yeah, I would say you're exactly right. So today, we've assumed emerging is about 3% of total revenue. We're assuming that we'll
drive 1 point of growth contribution. That's what it did in '24, that's what guides assuming in '25 as well.
We are expecting over time for that to step up and hit an inflection point and drive more meaningful growth as a percent of overall
growth. And so that's what the plan is. We are making progress across the solu set.
We feel really good on the progress we were -- if you look at where we were versus a year ago, the number of pilots that are happening,
proof of concepts, test signing. And so we're seeing that momentum across many of those emerging solutions.
We're feeling we're getting closer to the inflection point and kind of pushing up beyond that one point of growth contribution, we're
just not at a point to call it. I'd say there is a portfolio approach. We have five, six solutions that fit into emerging. We're not calling
on is going to be the ultimate driver of this inflection point. We look at it as there's several opportunities to win and that we're seeing
momentum across the solution sets.
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Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: Perfect. Let's stick to go-to-market. I wanted to double-click on the bundling and sort of sweet selling. When did the sales organization
start to sort of take that approach? What -- and really what should we expect the impact to be? And what products are being bundled
like how is that -- how are you going to market that way?
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Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
That I mean bundling is not a new concept, and we've done bundling in the past. When you look at some of our kind of core solutions
in auto physical damage. We've bundled workflow with estimating and total loss and to kind of bundle that, that the carriers will
buy.
So when we kind of deployed these new emerging solutions, we're bringing them into market as they were being developed and
ready for GA. And they were coming into the clients kind of on an individual SKU level.
And that -- and we still can do that today if a client is very focused on one set of capabilities or a use case we can still sell it at that
individual level. But trying to bring the conversation at a higher level, really talk about the carrier's need at a platform level, bring
these solutions together and they can be a combination of the emerging solutions, but it also can get bundled in with some of the
established core solutions that allows us just to simplify the story and the message and improve the velocity of closing the deals.
And so we've started to do that. As I said, it's both a bundled solution. We can still sell it kind of a la carte. And we're seeing some
early success with it and feel good on the pipeline and the engagement we're having with clients.
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: Yes. And thinking about into the future, just giving us both -- and obviously, 4 quarters of inorganic contribution. But after that, you
should be left with an asset that's accretive to your growth profile helping build that up.
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Yes, that's right. So we framed this year that the asset will drive about $45 million to $50 million of revenue. Beyond this year when
you get to '26 and beyond, we're talking about 1 to 2 points of growth contribution, then we think about that incremental to the
long-term range that we put out there. Yes, so it's going to be accretive on revenue going forward.
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Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: I guess part of the EBITDA margin is where you start as far as gross margins, and there are some headwinds there. Could you talk
through that, just as you're ramping some of these emerging solutions?
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Yeah, So we ended the year at 78% gross margin. Q4 was softer. There was kind of two factors that drove the softness. One is, as
we're bringing these new emerging solutions out into market, along with some of the platform upgrades that we've done, when
we bring them into surface, depreciation and the amortization starts to hit gross profit.
And there's also support cost to support the emerging solutions, and the revenue hasn't scaled to a stage that's really covering those
costs. And so it does have a drag on gross profit in the near term. Over time, when we think about those emerging solutions getting
to scale, they're going to have a similar gross profit characteristic as our more mature established. So we don't think about it as a
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: And for EBITDA margin, the target is 45%. So it's about 5 points, 2 coming from gross profit, as you just mentioned, like where is the
rest of the leverage coming in the model?
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Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Yes. It's just operating leverage from scale. We have a highly efficient operating model. A lot of the investments that we've put in is
really around product development and capacity to build new stuff. We've made significant investment over the last several years
really building out that capacity and feel like we have the capacity that we need.
We'll continue to add, but not at the same levels that we've added. And as you think about just sales and marketing is very efficient,
G&A. Those are just areas of operating leverage as we continue to grow and scale the business.
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: Great. Any questions out there? Mike is on the way.
Unidentified Particpant
You're expecting $45 million to $50 million from EIQ this year, but I believe Q1, I think it's significantly less than that on a run rate
basis. So I'm curious how you have visibility into that ramp? I know 150% NDR, but it's a pretty aggressive ramp. So I'm curious how
you think about that.
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
That. Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, some of it is already -- if we look at the car where they ended the year, some of it is already
contracted. It just hasn't -- it's in an implementation stage and has not turned into production. So there's a good view of stuff that
has signed in implementation that will turn to production.
And then there is new business to sign in year and convert into revenue, which is similar to our model. Every year, we start with new
business that we need to sign, implement and generate revenue in a year. So there's a part of it, but there's also a part that is kind
of backlog that we have good visibility into. So it's a mix of both.
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Maybe a quick question again on EIQ, so at the current time, I believe in '25, there's no revenue synergies assumed. The thought is
that EIQ will be integrated into your existing product suite and then sold. Over what time frame are you thinking that you will start
to see the benefit of EIQ actually flow through your financials more as a cross-sell, upsell option to your existing customers as opposed
to more just as a staple stand-alone business?
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Business there is some revenue assumed on synergies in 2025. It's just not that meaningful, but we do assume that it starts to flow
this year and then it will ramp as we go forward. We're starting to engage in some of our casualty clients about EIQs evolution IQ's
capabilities, and there's been really good reception and interest, so we feel good on that op opportunity as we talked about. The
medical summarization platform is kind of the initial play. There'll be further opportunities as we think about kind of guided claims
and what EIQ does with their client base and thinking about some of those opportunities in casualty, but those will be longer term
opportunities.
Question: Josh Baer - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
: Perfect. Thank you, Brian. Thank you, Bill. I appreciate the time.
Brian Herb - CCC Intelligent Solutions Holdings Inc - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Appreciate it.
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